Comments on: Liturgical Theology 11 | Active participation: bringing understanding http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/ field notes from the missional church planting frontier Thu, 17 May 2012 16:08:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Benjamin Sternke http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-589 Benjamin Sternke Sun, 30 Sep 2007 19:57:05 +0000 http://bensternke.com/?p=288#comment-589 Glad you enjoyed it, X! Glad you enjoyed it, X!

]]> By: X http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-588 X Sun, 30 Sep 2007 18:38:36 +0000 http://bensternke.com/?p=288#comment-588 I can't thank you enough for this series. I must get this book. I can’t thank you enough for this series. I must get this book.

]]> By: cindy http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-587 cindy Tue, 09 Jan 2007 12:07:15 +0000 http://bensternke.com/?p=288#comment-587 ah- i thought you meant the song lyrics. i haven't seen the movie. ah- i thought you meant the song lyrics. i haven’t seen the movie.

]]> By: Peter http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-586 Peter Mon, 08 Jan 2007 21:56:31 +0000 http://bensternke.com/?p=288#comment-586 Ben, I've appreciated reading the things you've written on liturgy. It is difficult for me, but I can see good points and value in the point of views Chan and others have expressed (at least the ones you've shared). I can truly say my church experience as a child and youth was filled with what I'll call useless repitition. I say that with sadness, sincerely, because the folks saying the "Our Father" 50 times in 20 minutes (not an exaggeration) really thought that was accomplishing something. (Now, this is the point where my wife jumps in and tells me to appreciate liturgy more. And, she's right, but not that kind of liturgy). Since I was re-born, I found meaning and life in the liturgy of my childhood like never before - and even in other "high church" settings also. As the Proverb says, "to him who is hungry, even what is bitter tastes sweet." As you say, we can't always blame the liturgy. When mixed with faith, certain group prayers can be deep and meaningful. Of course, I think you'd agree there's a reason why the Psalmist said, "Sing a new song to the Lord..." We all tend to get into a rut with familiar things, and I believe strongly in spontaneity for that reason, and praying from my heart what is fresh and new. Now, lest you think that's all I'm about, I pray to the Father in the words of the "Lord's Prayer" (which I call the "Son's Prayer") probably every day - and often more than once a day. How about that? Sidenote opinion: your comment about people not feeling involved in the gatherings - to me this emphasizes more the importance of one-on-one and small-group interaction than it does having the large group involved in liturgy. Again, I know you'll agree - this is the place where the connections are really made. (Like our parenting group awhile back, which Miriam and I so appreciated). I always appreciate your thoughtfulness and openness. Ben, I’ve appreciated reading the things you’ve written on liturgy. It is difficult for me, but I can see good points and value in the point of views Chan and others have expressed (at least the ones you’ve shared).
I can truly say my church experience as a child and youth was filled with what I’ll call useless repitition. I say that with sadness, sincerely, because the folks saying the “Our Father” 50 times in 20 minutes (not an exaggeration) really thought that was accomplishing something. (Now, this is the point where my wife jumps in and tells me to appreciate liturgy more. And, she’s right, but not that kind of liturgy).
Since I was re-born, I found meaning and life in the liturgy of my childhood like never before – and even in other “high church” settings also. As the Proverb says, “to him who is hungry, even what is bitter tastes sweet.” As you say, we can’t always blame the liturgy. When mixed with faith, certain group prayers can be deep and meaningful.
Of course, I think you’d agree there’s a reason why the Psalmist said, “Sing a new song to the Lord…” We all tend to get into a rut with familiar things, and I believe strongly in spontaneity for that reason, and praying from my heart what is fresh and new. Now, lest you think that’s all I’m about, I pray to the Father in the words of the “Lord’s Prayer” (which I call the “Son’s Prayer”) probably every day – and often more than once a day. How about that?
Sidenote opinion: your comment about people not feeling involved in the gatherings – to me this emphasizes more the importance of one-on-one and small-group interaction than it does having the large group involved in liturgy. Again, I know you’ll agree – this is the place where the connections are really made. (Like our parenting group awhile back, which Miriam and I so appreciated).
I always appreciate your thoughtfulness and openness.

]]> By: Benjamin Sternke http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-585 Benjamin Sternke Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:59:10 +0000 http://bensternke.com/?p=288#comment-585 Glad you're enjoying it, Ryan. And you are correct, sir! One of the funniest moments in the movie. Glad you’re enjoying it, Ryan. And you are correct, sir! One of the funniest moments in the movie.

]]> By: Ryan Imel http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-584 Ryan Imel Mon, 08 Jan 2007 13:54:06 +0000 http://bensternke.com/?p=288#comment-584 Interesting stuff. I've been keeping up with your blog, and enjoying it. Meet the Parents ;) Interesting stuff. I’ve been keeping up with your blog, and enjoying it.
Meet the Parents ;)

]]> By: Benjamin Sternke http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-583 Benjamin Sternke Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:59:40 +0000 http://bensternke.com/?p=288#comment-583 Thanks for playing, but no, Godspell is not the movie the "babbling" prayer is from. Thanks for playing, but no, Godspell is not the movie the “babbling” prayer is from.

]]> By: cindy http://bensternke.com/2007/01/liturgical-theology-11-active-participation-bringing-understanding/comment-page-1/#comment-582 cindy Mon, 08 Jan 2007 12:15:54 +0000 http://bensternke.com/?p=288#comment-582 thnaks for those insights. and-- Godspell. thnaks for those insights. and–
Godspell.

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